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  1. Hi Al.
    Three weeks ago, after seeing my girl, I got back to the city to be ready for work, and found a short note in my bag.
    It said,
    “This the cheats way but I just can’t do it to your face, sorry.
    I’m not ready for this relationship to continue, you want more than i can give and it’s not fair too keep you on.
    I thought I was ready but deep down I’m not. I have things I need to sort and want to do.
    Once again, I’m sorry to do it this way.”
    When I spoke to her after finding the note, I asked what I did wrong? She said nothing, it was her not me, and she needed time, and that maybe in a years time, she would be ready again. She encouraged me to call her if I needed to talk, and expected that I would saying that next few weeks is going to be tough for me. She is right, it has been.
    I have read you ‘tea leaves’ article, but even she says she didn’t give any hints.
    Moving on, 3 days ago, I got a text message saying that “something has come up and is going to take every ounce of strength that have left in to deal with this so for now you are in the back of my mind.”
    She won’t tell me what “something” is.
    She has said: she would tell me if it was up to her; that it’s 100 times worse than her marriage; that she wants to smash the man who did it; that it will take 3-4 yrs to recover, that it has crushed her heart.
    However, she denies that; she is sick(she previously had a cancer scare as a kid); denies being pregnant; has not been raped; she was previously; that there is no one else; and she is not going back to her ex husband. ( she had already seperated when we met)
    I don’t know what is going on, and it is driving me nuts.
    I have organised counciling for her, as she was happy as long as it involved her on her own, not with me, but then later that evening when I told her I didn’t have confirmation of times yet, she told me she didn’t need my counciling, she had organised her own. She can be very stubborn, but so can I.
    She is pushing me away so hard it hurts. I am the clinghy while she is the avoider.
    Over her life, she has been taught not to talk, by her ex husband who told her off no matter what she did, ie, if she bought eggs it was wrong, but if she didn’t that was wrong as well. Also, at school, she was picked on, and shifted schools because of it. So she finds it very difficult to talk about her deep feelings, but is quite happy to talk about shallow issues at any time.
    I have read when to fold em, and am thinking I need to go down that path, simply to protect myself at this stage.
    I have tried to be honest, as I don’t want the currant situation to continue.

    Do you have any thoughts??
    Thank you Al.

    • Dear Phil,  Thanks for writing and sharing so much.  Sounds pretty painful.   I suggest you take your time and "read the tea leaves" during a time when you are curious.  Of course you don't want this situation, or the pain, to continue.   But it sounds like a wonderful example of "reading them leaves."  I wish had you and a group of students around to throw this letter up on a whiteboard and pull out all the leaves.  Let's look.    

      • She wrote you a note rather than speaking to you directly.  Pretty clear.  Something makes it safer for her to communicate with you when you aren't in her presence.  Or better said, there is something about how you communicate with her in her presence that makes her unsafe.  What can that be?  You've probably seen this before, but haven't noticed it enough to get clear on what to do about it.   
      • She is using this note to stop the "relationship" not for just a moment but for an abstract/long length of time.  I don't know how long you've been together, it appears she's gotten hopeless of things getting better.  (What things? Well, that is yet to be figured out, but one clear thing is the issue of safety when she talks to you.)  My crude guess is that you talk too much, are too invasive, ask too many questions, interrupt a lot, are impatient, etc.  Clingers, like me, often do.   
      • Twice in note she apologizes.  Sounds as if she's critical of herself.  My guess is that she lives in a world of criticism, from her family, and ex, and you have fit into that world as "another criticizer."  But is also sounds as if she wishes she could do better cuz she likes you.  She wants to learn.    
      • You foolishly (Clingers almost always blame themselves) asked what you had done wrong.  I doubt she is even ready to think about her frustrations with you – yet.  She probably wants to experience safety with you when talking about neutral topics first.  Sure you want data from her but probably have been building a communication environment that is so scary/dangerous for her that she can't talk.    
      • Says she may take years.  That sounds as if she experiences you as impatient, pushing, etc.  Remember, if she's an avoider, she just wants some slow down and pacing and space.  Learn to give it to her.  She needs/needed it in your presence, but can get it by the nuclear device of breaking up with you.    
      • She encourages you to call if you need.  Wow.  This leaf sounds as if "listening" to you is easier/safer than talking to you.  Haven't you noticed this?  Your job it to make talking-to-you really really easy for her/anyone.
      • She said she didn't leave a hint.  That's a hint, Phil.  She's been keeping vital secrets from you.  My general rule (I'm a clinger) is that if you aren't hearing daily from your partner about all important issues, you are probably into trouble..   How come you didn't know she was holding back?  Is this the first gal who's kept you in the dark?
      • "Something has come up."  Well she's trying to share.  This is like poking your toe in the water to see if it is to cold.  She ain't telling you more cuz she's watching your reaction to that "toe" and anticipating that you will do some more of the awful stuff you do.  
      • "100 times worse" etc.  I like her drama and her passion.  I would not take any of that literally, but I would let her know I can hear it.  I think she is trying to teach you how she wants to be listened to.
      • "She denies:….." Sounds like you asked her a series of questions with a possible yes/no answer.  Don't do that.  She'll just push you away.  Tis very overwhelming. I've tried it.  Never works.
      • I am so sorry that she's experienced "rape".  So many people have. Aarrghh!  Lots of betrayal in that.  Lots of need for healing.  Also we live in a culture that doesn't seem very nurturing around this topic.  You probably want to learn how to, become a specialist in how to, relate to "rape victims".
      • Also it's pretty normal to compare a previous relationship to the current one.  After all, lessons not learned in that one will have to be learned in this one. So the frustrations from that one will likely re-appear in this one.  
      • I gather you like to understand what is going on.  Make you feel safe.  So, of course, you've picked a partner who withholds stuff as a way of you learning the how's of getting people to share.
      • That counseling stuff (your's vs hers) suggests she wants to learn, but experiences you not as a help but as "having strings attached."  As a clinger, do you think you might come across as possessive?  
      • Your observations of her suggest she may be a fairly normal avoider and has not experience much safety in her life with others.

      How's that for digging into the tea leaves?  Just my thinking.  Good luck, Phil.

      • Al, thank you.

        There most certinely things I do, and you’ve hit on some specifics.
        -There is something I do, but I’m not sure – I have known for some time that she “likes to listen.” I wasn’t smart enough to see beyond that.
        – We have been together for 7 months, and yes, I talk to much, are too invasive, ask too many questions, interrupt a lot, are impatient, etc. I wouldn’t have seen that had you not said it. The more she listens, the more I talk, the more I talk, the more she listens.
        – Her younger sister is critical, as was her ex, as I can be. How do I be more positive, because I do pass the good things and focus on the bad things.
        – She has said only today (I got a text msg but have not replied) that she feels pushed, but wants to achieve the things I’m pushing herself without my help. That hurt, and is the reason I haven’t replied.
        She has been quite happy to talk about work, her kids, all the general stuff, just not specifics on a deeper level. She starts, the backs out gently.
        – Where do I start in making it easy for her to talk to me? Do you have articles I can find?
        – I have had the bad feeling in my gut for about 6 weeks that something has been going on behind my back. She has said there is not on several occasions, with a but once, but then backed out. What ever is going on now, is definitely a big secret.
        – 100 times worse, do you mean she likes to exagerate and make a story bigger than the reality? – she does this a bit.
        – I did ask many questions with yes/no answers, many times. She is just pushing me away the more I try. Today is the first day I haven’t asked her a question.
        – I HATE not understanding. I put up on facebook last week, “I don’t understand and I hate it.” How can I encourage her to share? I have said verbally many times, what are you thinking, tell me about your day, but I can see I cut her off far too many times, rather than ‘pulling’ as you put it in another article.
        -I don’t think I’m possessive, but I might be. I shifted 3000kms to Perth Aus after the breakup of my last relationship from a small country town that was to small. Again, I was left.
        – Can you point me Al to anymore of your publications that you think would be good for me to read? The secret is damaging me, trust is very important to me, and not being trusted hurts badly. How do I begin the process of letting her know she can tell me. (By the way, she bottled it up and wouldn’t tell anyone, until her sister berated her, and they argued badly, before Em broke down and told her sister. This left me with a feeling that, the good guys come last, since I didn’t berate her or push her that far.)
        You have been spot on with a lot of stuff Al, things I wouldn’t have seen myself. Your input is very valuable to me, and if you have time, please lend a little to me. In time, in yrs to come, I will pass it on to someone.

        Thank you Al,
        Phil.

        • One thing to add Al,
          At one stage she wrote a note on FB that said:
          “Oh well, will tell If i have my way.”

          It is very quickly becoming, why the secret, not what is the secret, and I am loosing trust almost by the min.

        • Silly gal.  Secrets are there cuz people don’t trust.  And you really can’t trust a person who keeps secrets.  Kinda going in a circle.  I like the way she is attempting to pass her responsibility onto unknown others.  That’s all about Boundaries.  

          A better formulation is that she can tell when she choses and she’s now chosing not to tell for some good reasons.  You are in the dark and you really a) don’t like it, b) need to learn to be relaxed with being in the dark, c) need to learn how to get people (this gal) to want to share with you. . 

        • Dear Phil,  “Can I point you to any articles that may help?”   My whole website is written for you and others who are in similar struggles.  I’ve been puzzling for years where to direct people to start.  And I’ve written a bunch of “read this to find your way” articles.   I was talking about this last night with a guy who wrote a book based on my website and who is about to publish it on Amazon.  He had the same problem, “where to start and what path to take.”  Though his problem was greater in that he was writing a novel about a person’s journey through adventures.   Interesting work.  Soon as I get a link to it, I will pass it on.  

          You seem to be just starting, as does she, so you probaby want to start with http://www.alturtle.com/how-to-use-this-website.  Since you are dealing with her habit of pulling away you might want to focus on Reliable Membership. My guess is you are going to get to be an expert on Trust (or Safety), so the Lizard paper is for you. Or we can chat by phone.

          Good luck. 

  2. My leaving partner has made a small move to reconnect but is scared that we will end up at the “end” again where it no longer felt good to be together. He was able to express some of his “tea leaves” and I was able to mirror and validate. He is also struggling with the idea of balancing as a single father and committed partner again. I believe this comes from guilt that he does not have his daughter all the time (she lives in another state). He may feel guilty spending time with me when she is in town. He hasn’t seen her for 3 months and wants to focus solely on her while she is here for two weeks. I am respecting that boundary but I am afraid I may have started talking about getting back together too soon. I believe I assumed that was his motive. I don’t think he really thought about his motives fully and how I would perceive his actions. My assumption may have pushed him away again. Do you suggest falling back and letting him come to me again-the idea of being minimally available?

    • Well, hey.  I am really full of troubles with “assumptions” and particularly “assumptions shared at the wrong time.”   I would certainly fall back and start figuring out (guessing and checking) what is going on for your partner.  Most of what you have shared seems to easily be seen as your misinterpretations of your partner’s motives.  Very dangerous stuff to believe in – them assumptions.  Take your time.  I make up that you are not even coming close to Validating him.   I’m not suggesting that you aren’t trying.  Just can do a lot better.  (I guess I am gonna have to write another article on this as so many people tell me that they are validating their partner when I get clear signals that they aren’t.  I’m imagining that I can do a better job of sharing what I have learned.)

      I learned to not even try to share my assumptions about my partner until she explicitly asked for them – until she had her boundaries in place firmly.   

       

       

      • I am not sure he knows what his boundaries are/were. Since his daughter has been in town I have tried light non pressure contact twice but he has ignored me. I tried to invite him to share his “sense” but he has not responded yet. As a side note he uses a substance in a “recreational” manner that you mentioned in one of your articles on sharing. As long as he is using the substance it seems he will be out of touch with himself so how can I expect him to share openly and honestly with me? The substance causes a barrier to understanding himself. I am not sure what else I can do in this situation. He really is a wonderful person that I love deeply but we never may be able to make each other feel safe if he can’t fully share.

        • I am not sure he knows what his boundaries are/were.

          It took me years from the time I heard about Boundaries to learn what they were.  No one around me seemed to have any.  How could I learn?   But the good news is that if you have good Boundaries, your partner will have to learn ’em. 

          Since his daughter has been in town I have tried light non pressure contact twice but he has ignored me. I tried to invite him to share his “sense” but he has not responded yet.

          Could be you push him, too much??   Pretty normal pattern to fall into.  Is he an avoider to your clinger traits?

          As a side note he uses a substance in a “recreational” manner that you mentioned in one of your articles on sharing. As long as he is using the substance it seems he will be out of touch with himself so how can I expect him to share openly and honestly with me? The substance causes a barrier to understanding himself.

          I will assume you are referring to Pot.  Well, to deal with his use you need some really good Boundaries.

          I am not sure what else I can do in this situation. He really is a wonderful person that I love deeply but we never may be able to make each other feel safe if he can’t fully share.

          Well, I imagine there are lots of things you can do.  I am glad you mentioned Boundaries.  I would also think that Reliable Membership is an issue along with much needed improvement in communication skills.  You may be pretty frustrated.  I recall getting to that point where I didn’t know anything that worked.  That was right before I figured out that I needed to learn “new” things. 

  3. Dear Trying,
    Good question. I recall a friend of mine, John Lee, an author, lecturer and general good guy, saying that most of his books on relationship and emotions were bought by a group of women and were now gathering dust under a whole pile of guys beds – unread.
    You can, of course, try sharing what you have learned here. Lots of people do. The best way to share that I know of is to “become the change you want to see in the world.” Gandhi, I think. So I would discourage telling your ex, but encourage any kind of showing by your own actions.
    This is a kind of teaching your ex to validate, by validating your ex. Teaching 'em to listen by listening to them. Teaching 'em to respect your Lizard by respecting theirs. Teaching 'em to not argue by not arguing with them. etc.
    “Hey, I've learned a lot from this website. Been really good for me.” followed by silence. If your partner asks for more, share a little. Tis rules numbers 3 and 4 of my article, What to do when he/she leaves.”
    Good luck.

  4. Hey Al,
    Do you think that letting your ex know about this website and having her read some of the articles on here would be pushing or considered checking out your theory? Or should you wait until relationship is completely stable again to have her read anything for future problems?

  5. Dear Johnny,
    Looking back all the dark times in my life were choice points. Do I embrace the dark and learn from it or do I avoid the dark and remain blind. I prefer to recall the times I chose to learn. Here's a favorite poem on the subject.
    A Ritual To Read To Each Other
    William Stafford
    If you don't know the kind of person I am
    and I don't know the kind of person you are
    a pattern that others made may prevail in the world
    and following the wrong god home we may miss our star.
    For there is many a small betrayal in the mind,
    a shrug that lets the fragile sequence break
    sending with shouts the horrible errors of childhood
    storming out to play through the broken dyke.
    And as elephants parade holding each elephant's tail,
    but if one wanders the circus won't find the park,
    I call it cruel and maybe the root of all cruelty
    to know what occurs but not recognize the fact.
    And so I appeal to a voice, to something shadowy,
    a remote important region in all who talk:
    though we could fool each other, we should consider–
    lest the parade of our mutual life get lost in the dark.
    For it is important that awake people be awake,
    or a breaking line may discourage them back to sleep;
    the signals we give–yes or no, or maybe–
    should be clear: the darkness around us is deep.

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